Millennial Investing - The Investor’s Podcast Network - TIVP024: TSMC (TSM): The Most Important Business in the World? w/ Daniel Mahncke & Shawn O’Malley
The podcast episode delves deep into Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), highlighting its crucial role in the modern world and examining the "Lollapalooza moat" that underpins its dominance, alongside the significant geopolitical risks it faces.
The hosts begin by introducing TSMC's revolutionary business model, pioneered by founder Morris Chang in 1987. Going against the vertically integrated norm of designing, manufacturing, and packaging chips in-house, Chang envisioned a "pure-play foundry" that would *only* manufacture chips for other companies. This concept, initially deemed "insane" due to the outsourcing of valuable intellectual property, flourished as chip manufacturing became exponentially expensive and specialized, driven by Moore's Law. TSMC offered manufacturing as a service, taking on the burden of high capital intensity and achieving unparalleled scale and expertise.
TSMC's history shows government backing and early investment from Philips, which provided capital and know-how. Chang, who was in his 50s when he founded TSMC, demonstrated incredible conviction, acquiring shares with his salary rather than initial equity, eventually becoming a billionaire.
The company's competitive advantages are manifold. Today, TSMC commands over 90% of the world's leading-edge chip production and about 60% of the overall foundry market. This "winner-take-all" industry is characterized by immense costs: building a state-of-the-art fab can exceed $20 billion, and each ASML extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography system costs upwards of $150 million. TSMC's annual capital expenditure (capex) of over $30 billion is crucial for maintaining its technological lead; if it stops investing, it declines. Despite this, TSMC boasts high returns on invested capital (ROIIC), often in the high thirties, demonstrating its efficiency.
A key differentiator is TSMC's superior manufacturing yield, achieving over 90% for high-end nodes, compared to Samsung's 60%. This efficiency fuels a "flywheel effect": profits from older, higher-yield nodes fund the development of newer ones, which TSMC ramps up faster and with better yields than competitors, attracting more customers and further boosting scale. This process technology leadership has seen TSMC lead transitions to 7nm, 5nm, 3nm, and soon 2nm nodes. Older nodes, while less cutting-edge, remain profitable and important for less demanding applications like automotive chips.
Competitors struggle to match TSMC. Samsung's foundry division operates at a loss, facing lower yields and underutilization. Intel, despite committing over $100 billion to new fabs, remains years behind, with its foundry division incurring significant losses. SMIC, China's largest foundry, is heavily constrained by US sanctions, unable to acquire EUV equipment, making it impossible to catch up to TSMC's advanced capabilities. NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang famously praised TSMC for being "the world's best...by a mile."
Growth opportunities for TSMC are robust. High-performance computing (HPC), including AI accelerators, now accounts for over 50% of revenue, with AI-related chip revenue tripling in 2024 and expected to double in 2025. Even sectors like automotive are increasingly demanding advanced chips for EVs and autonomous driving. This diversification reduces the historical cyclicality of the semiconductor industry.
The paramount concern is geopolitical risk. Almost all of TSMC's production is in Taiwan, a flashpoint between China and the US. Warren Buffett famously sold his stake in TSMC due to concerns over its "location." TSMC is diversifying globally, building fabs in Arizona ($40 billion+ investment), Germany, and Japan, but replicating its complex Taiwanese ecosystem is challenging. The "silicon shield" theory suggests Taiwan's strategic importance deters military action, as a conflict would devastate the global economy, including China's.
When considering investment, the hosts note TSMC's low P/E ratio (19) compared to its growth (22% revenue CAGR) and the higher valuations of its dependents like Nvidia (P/E 47) and Apple (P/E 32), suggesting the market applies a significant geopolitical risk premium. Daniel's valuation model, which uses EPS due to TSMC's high-returning capex, projects strong revenue growth. He employs scenario analysis to factor in geopolitical risk, estimating that an annual 5% probability of a total loss for the next five years would justify TSMC's current price.
The hosts debate the appropriateness of such a bet. Sean expresses discomfort with investing when the potential for World War III is a serious consideration, and notes the "Innovator's Dilemma" risk in a fast-changing industry. However, he differentiates Taiwan risk from China risk, believing US sanctions are less likely against Taiwan. Both agree that TSMC's exceptional business quality makes a small portfolio position (2-3%) potentially justifiable, while closely monitoring geopolitical developments.