MI Rewind: Why Buy Bitcoin w/ Andy Edstrom
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本期播客节目邀请了财富经理、Swan Advisor Services 的董事总经理、《为何购买比特币?》一书的作者安迪·埃德斯特罗姆(Andy Edstrom)进行讨论。本期节目是重新分享的内容,旨在让新听众了解相关信息,同时为老听众提供巩固性信息。
埃德斯特罗姆分享了他个人与比特币的结缘历程,这是一条普遍的“三次接触”路径:从最初的怀疑,到深入研究,再到坚信不疑。他的转折点发生在2017年,促使他开始投资,并最终在2019年比特币熊市低点时撰写了他的书,旨在为客户阐明一个稳健的投资理论。他指出,此后比特币已经越过了“拐点”,在疫情加速数字化趋势和通胀上升等因素的推动下,从边缘资产转变为更主流的投资。
埃德斯特罗姆有力地论证了将比特币纳入投资组合的必要性。从历史上看,比特币是表现最好的主要资产。它的价格走势与股票和债券等传统资产类别基本不相关(过去十年相关性低于20%),使其成为一种有价值的多元化工具。他看到了巨大的未来上涨潜力,有可能在十年内达到每比特币100万美元,因为它将从黄金(市场规模10万亿美元)、法定货币、离岸资产、部分债券市场和新应用中夺取市场份额。他目前对比特币的投资组合配置,无论风险水平如何,大约都在5%左右,扮演着不同的角色:高风险投资组合寻求其巨大的增长潜力,而低风险投资组合则将其用作通胀对冲,特别是针对债券价值的侵蚀。
他引用经济学家卡尔·门格尔(Carl Menger)的框架,区分了消费品、资本品和货币商品,从而解决了人们普遍担心的货币资产不产生现金流的问题。货币的价值在于其作为财富储存手段和交换媒介的作用,而非其生产能力。在高负债和政府印钞时期,像黄金(现在还有比特币)这样的硬通货资产成为关键的对冲工具,正如20世纪70年代所见。埃德斯特罗姆认为,由于其卓越的特性,比特币正在有效地“蚕食”黄金的市场份额。
为了评估货币,埃德斯特罗姆使用了一个包含14个特征的框架。他强调了比特币在几个方面的优越性:
* **稀缺性:** 比特币的算法减半机制使其已经比黄金更稀缺,而黄金本身已被视为最稀缺的货币资产之一。相比之下,法定货币缺乏内在稀缺性。
* **可识别性(防伪性):** 与法定货币甚至黄金不同,比特币由于其加密验证而无法被伪造。
* **可分割性:** 比特币可以高度分割成1亿个聪(Satoshi),使其无论价格高低都易于获取。
* **不可没收性:** 比特币通过记忆式“脑钱包”和多重签名方案等多种方法,提供了前所未有的安全性和不可没收性,使其极难被没收,并可能减少针对持有者施加暴力的动机。
另一方面,比特币目前在“强大背书”(缺乏像美元背后有美国军方支持那样的国家背书,尽管萨尔瓦多是一个显著的例外)和“某些用途的必需品”(尚未普遍被强制用于纳税或交易)等领域表现较差。埃德斯特罗姆还指出,比特币并非真正的私人货币,因为它的区块链是透明且可追溯的,这是一个常见的误解。
关于市场时机,埃德斯特罗姆建议不要试图“抄底”,但提供了判断潜在“顶部”的指标,例如“喷发式顶部”(价格在大约一个月内翻倍)或者当价格与200日移动平均线之比超过2.5时。
萨尔瓦多将比特币定为法定货币是一项重要的发展。埃德斯特罗姆解释说,货币疲软、汇款流量高或拥有丰富的清洁能源用于挖矿的国家,都有强大的动力效仿。此举不仅可以节省交易成本,还能吸引投资和人才,有可能提升其经济水平。萨尔瓦多利用地热能进行挖矿也与环境讨论相关。
针对常见的误解:
* **环境影响:** 埃德斯特罗姆认为,比特币的能源消耗应该与黄金开采(其能耗更高)或支撑法定货币的庞大基础设施等传统货币系统进行比较。至关重要的是,比特币激励了原本被搁置的(例如偏远地区的风能、太阳能、地热能)可再生能源的开发和货币化,使清洁能源项目更具可行性,并加速其采用。它还充当电网的灵活负载平衡器,增强其韧性。
* **稀缺性/其他加密货币:** 比特币的稀缺性具有独一无二的可靠性,这得益于其固定代码、强大的社会共识(通过过去关于协议变更的“内战”进行了检验),以及运行全节点的便捷性,这些都确保了其去中心化和对规则更改的抵抗力。“林迪效应”也适用,因为比特币长期未被黑客攻击的运营历史建立了人们对其安全性的信任。
* **政府禁令:** 埃德斯特罗姆认为,政府实施禁令的风险被严重高估了。他认为比特币过于分散,并已深度融入经济活动,以至于无法被有效扼杀。此外,禁令在历史上往往失败,并常常助长黑市。他相信政府最终会认识到这类禁令的徒劳和适得其反,特别是有政治倡导团体正在努力教育政策制定者的情况下。
安迪最后邀请听众更多地了解他在Swan Advisor Services的工作(该机构旨在帮助金融顾问为客户提供直接的比特币所有权),并通过他的网站和推特与他联系。
The podcast features a discussion with Andy Edstrom, a wealth manager, managing director at Swan Advisor Services, and author of "Why Buy Bitcoin?". The episode is a re-share, acknowledging new listeners and the value of reinforcement for existing ones.
Edstrom shares his personal Bitcoin journey, a common "three exposure" path where initial skepticism gives way to deeper research and conviction. His turning point came in 2017, leading him to invest and eventually write his book in 2019, at Bitcoin's bear market low, to articulate a robust investment thesis for his clients. He notes that Bitcoin has since crossed an "inflection point," moving from a fringe asset to a more mainstream investment, fueled by factors like the pandemic's acceleration of digital trends and rising inflation.
Edstrom argues compellingly for Bitcoin's inclusion in an investment portfolio. Historically, Bitcoin is the best-performing major asset. Its price movements are largely uncorrelated with traditional asset classes like stocks and bonds (less than 20% correlation over the last decade), making it a valuable diversification tool. He sees substantial future upside, potentially reaching $1 million per Bitcoin within a decade, as it captures market share from gold ($10 trillion market), fiat currencies, offshore assets, parts of the bond market, and new applications. His current portfolio allocation for Bitcoin, regardless of risk level, is around 5%, serving different roles: high-risk portfolios seek its immense growth potential, while low-risk portfolios use it as an inflation hedge, particularly against the erosion of bond values.
He addresses the common concern about monetary assets not generating cash flow by referencing economist Carl Menger's framework, distinguishing consumption, capital, and monetary goods. Money's value lies in its role as a store of wealth and medium of exchange, not its productive capacity. In times of high debt and government money printing, hard money assets like gold (and now Bitcoin) become crucial hedges, as seen during the 1970s. Edstrom posits that Bitcoin is effectively "eating away" at gold's market share due to its superior characteristics.
To evaluate money, Edstrom uses a framework of 14 characteristics. He highlights Bitcoin's superiority in several areas:
* **Scarcity:** Bitcoin's algorithmic halving mechanism makes it already scarcer than gold, which itself is considered one of the scarcest monetary assets. Fiat currencies, by contrast, lack inherent scarcity.
* **Identifiability:** Unlike fiat or even gold, Bitcoin cannot be counterfeited due to its cryptographic verification.
* **Divisibility:** Bitcoin is highly divisible into 100 million Satoshis, making it accessible regardless of price.
* **Unseizability:** Bitcoin offers unprecedented security and unseizability through various methods, including memorized "brain wallets" and multi-signature schemes, making it highly resistant to confiscation and potentially reducing incentives for violence against holders.
Conversely, Bitcoin currently fares less well in areas like "powerful backing" (lacking state endorsement akin to the U.S. military behind the dollar, though El Salvador is a notable exception) and "required for some purpose" (not yet universally mandated for taxes or transactions). Edstrom also points out that Bitcoin is *not* truly private money, as its blockchain is transparent and traceable, a common misconception.
Regarding market timing, Edstrom advises against trying to "buy the bottom" but suggests indicators for a potential "top," such as a "blow-off top" (price doubling in about a month) or when the price-to-200-day moving average ratio exceeds 2.5.
El Salvador's adoption of Bitcoin as legal tender is a significant development. Edstrom explains that countries with weak currencies, high remittance flows, or abundant clean energy for mining have strong incentives to follow suit. This move could not only save on transaction costs but also attract investment and talent, potentially elevating their economies. The use of geothermal energy for mining in El Salvador also links to the environmental discussion.
Addressing common misconceptions:
* **Environmental Impact:** Edstrom argues that Bitcoin's energy consumption should be compared to traditional monetary systems like gold mining (which uses more energy) or the vast infrastructure supporting fiat currencies. Crucially, Bitcoin incentivizes the development and monetization of otherwise stranded renewable energy sources (e.g., remote wind, solar, geothermal), making clean energy projects more viable and accelerating their adoption. It also acts as a flexible load balancer for grids, promoting robustness.
* **Scarcity/Other Cryptocurrencies:** Bitcoin's scarcity is uniquely credible due to its fixed code, strong social consensus (tested by past "civil wars" over protocol changes), and the ease of running a full node, which ensures decentralization and resistance to rule changes. The "Lindy effect" also applies, as Bitcoin's long, unhacked operational history builds trust in its security.
* **Government Ban:** Edstrom views the risk of a government ban as significantly overestimated. He argues that Bitcoin is too distributed and embedded in economic activity to be effectively killed. Moreover, prohibition efforts historically fail and often empower black markets. He believes governments will eventually recognize the futility and counterproductiveness of such bans, especially with political advocacy groups working to educate policymakers.
Andy concludes by inviting listeners to learn more about his work at Swan Advisor Services, which helps financial advisors offer direct Bitcoin ownership to clients, and to connect with him via his website and Twitter.
摘要
Clay Finck chats with Andy Edstrom about why Bitcoin should be considered as a part of an investment portfolio, how Andy thinks about valuing Bitcoin as an investment, how investors can potentially keep themselves from ‘buying the top’ in Bitcoin, the 14 characteristics of money and how Bitcoin stacks up against gold and fiat currency, some of the common misconceptions around Bitcoin, and much, much more!
Andy Edstrom, CFA, CFP is a wealth manager at Wescap Group and is Managing Director of Swan Advisor Services.
IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN
00:00 - Intro
02:00 - How Andy discovered Bitcoin and ended up buying it.
07:40 - Why investors should consider adding Bitcoin as a part of their portfolio.
07:40 - Why Bitcoin has a lot of potential to continue achieving very high returns.
26:13 - How Andy thinks about the value of Bitcoin today when buying it for his portfolio.
26:13 - How investors can potentially keep themselves from ‘buying the top’ in Bitcoin.
40:53 - Why it’s important to first understand money, what is good money versus what is bad money.
40:53 - What the 14 characteristics of money are.
58:17 - What is driving the continued growth in the adoption of Bitcoin in portfolios?
58:17 - Why El Salvador is embracing Bitcoin and what countries might be next.
01:18:01 - What makes Bitcoin different from all of the other cryptocurrencies?
01:18:01 - Why Bitcoin incentivizes the movement towards renewable and green energy.
01:27:12 - Why the US government is not likely to ban Bitcoin.
And much, much more!
*Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences.
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